Topic: "life" after death

Hi robots,

it's quite a while i don't show my train avatar around here, mostly because i have been through a complicated first half of
2011 - nothing bad, just a lot of things going on smile

The strange topic title is not, as many can expect, to the concepts of afterlife, at least not in the classic meaning of the term. Rather trying to understand how can we possibly continue our presence on this planet even when we will eventually
and ultimately depart (and i really hope it is as late as possible for everyone).

I decided to write my thoughts in public after I have read about the early departure of Jerome Fontan in the other thread.

My curiosity is how can we let the future generation know about what we have been into, what our creative and participative minds have conceived in all these years and how we can let those still-to-be-born people access this information in a comprehensive way.

The first example that comes to mind is what the nice guys at etoy.CORPORATION are doing here in Switzerland with
their Mission Eternity project (more info here: http://missioneternity.org/).

So the question I am posing to the robots in here is: how would you make sure that future generations can access the
information we accumulated in our life (as experience we have acquired by doing things) and the information we
contributed to generate (as events and things we have crafted, managed, built and also destroyed)?

I know that the question could have possibly infinite answers, but I would like to have your opinion about it - you never
know if the collective mind could find a good solution smile

thanks,
a.

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Interesting topic (and welcome back Alex). Our lives are increasingly being lived virtually, and almost nothing is in a physical medium. That in itself poses a threat to the survival of our output, as everybody knows. My fiancee has tens of thousands of digital photos and videos (she's a professional artist) and she spends a lot of time backing everything up. Sometimes she loses a HD which has not been back up yet. Tears are shed. Fortunately, her officially published videos are kept in a state run art archive, and they are responsible for backups and transferring the data to new formats as technology progresses.

I guess the cloud is the way forward, but this requires still heavy development to cope with the amounts of data many of us generate. Privacy and security is a question mark with commercial services. Should the cloud be government run? Maybe Facebook will give us immortality.

In the end, maybe only the goverment records are the only thing left. A number.

And maybe we need to ask the question, are the output of the masses interesting/valuable enough to store for the future generations? And who makes that decision?

3 (edited by cebteq 2011-08-11 18:58:54)

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will the next generations be interested in anything other than their social networks?

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and why would they be interested in us? I know I wouldn't.

"A Real Music Hater"

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@heifetz
Agree on the digital life concept. Anyway, more then the technical means to preserve our "persona" i was more interested in trying to sort out a way to organize the finite-but-nearly-infinite amount of information that we own, make, remake and
dismiss/destroy (our information "lifecycle", if we can call it like that).
How are we organizing information today? How will the "Google paradigm" will change in time? Already now we (at least
me) are relying on search engines to find the information we need, so i suppose we can't turn around on that at any rate.

Regarding your question, I give you a question back (that tries to address as well the comments of cebteq and Ray)...
What are you doing today with the music you like? Just get through the new productions like one would read the daily
newspaper (so nearly hear and forget)  or are you looking back to those 60/70/80/90s tracks for a particular emotion and
feeling?
If your thoughts tend to fall on the latter, then I expect the people of those years to have thought as well "why the future
generations would be interested in us?". Then the answer is quite clear, no? big_smile big_smile big_smile

a.

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I think even with all the downsides of digital media, there will be a heap pile of stuff from our generation left over. Heaps, too much I'd almost say. There might be a lot of it digital and therefore less preservable, but then again there is also 10 times more stuff being published since you basically don't need to have a publisher for any medium these days anymore, presumed it is digital. You're not dependent on a record label, a book publisher, a software company and not even on a gallery to make your stuff accessible throughout the whole world.
I have now since 2 weeks internet again after 8 months, and one of the things that over-encumbers me is that it's an infinite medium. There's no end to it like there is to a book or to a music-track, you have to set it yourself to not get lost in an infinite flush of information.

So to sum up my point, I'm more questioning myself what will get selected out of these enormous wades of shit to survive future generations than if there will be something surviving at all.

7 (edited by alex_d_steak 2011-08-16 12:31:15)

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@score100

valid point there, but how can you define objectively what is "shit" and what is not? Objectivity is difficult when it comes to personal preferences, as what you might consider not good for you might be very good for me..
One could adopt the general opinion about things (so what the masses are after), but I am not sure that this would be the right way to decide what survives and what does not...

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well, we'd go deeper into aesthetic philosophy here - before I'd go completely OT I'll sum it up that there are mainly two divisions. People who believe that you can't argue over taste and people who believe you can, which is the side I'm on. I believe there just are things that are more aesthetic than others, and while personal influences and tastes encloses my horizon, the combination of different tastes of people with a good recognition of aesthetics can make up a vague construct of the more aesthetic.

Anyhow, that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of stuff that is just not getting recognized as it doesn't fit the current fashion or numerous other reasons (not enough marketing, etc.).
I'll bring an example to show what I mean with piles of shit: take the internet as an example. It was a great medium for information from the start, but the way too get to information often meant for me having too wade literally through shit as in mirrored websites of google-results full of ads, scam-sites with payed access and so on. Now of course it's easier, as we have google which basically has it's main work in censoring out all this sites, and some centralized networks like wikipedia etc. But in between there, there's a heap of dot.com-scams and porn, sites that neither look interesting nor have any appealing purpose to anyone but the owners who can make some bucks with it.

In the end when we like to enjoy media of back in the day's, we also get mostly just a selection of the good stuff that survived and the not the huge amounts that it really was.

Another easier example - go to a recordstore and search the 80's crates. While we all know how much great stuff there was made in this time, there's even much more commercial bullshit that is $$-music, made to make bucks back then and to be forgotten tomorrow, which is what it sounds like - aesthetically bankrupt! smile

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"and people who believe you can, which is the side I'm on"

does it make you feel schizo then that the stuff you love today is the shit youll hate tomorrow? whose taste can you trust if not even your own?  hehe

take for example the cure, used to like them as a kid but now all their music makes me cringe

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cebteq wrote:

take for example the cure, used to like them as a kid but now all their music makes me cringe

all of it? I'm the same way with the early stuff. Still like Faith and Pornography. Loathe that mid period nitro pop bit in the middle with the exception of a few tracks. Disintegration is a masterpiece. Then they started making the worst music in the world.

Basically if you lost being able to listen to Disintegration, I want to give you a big hug...

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cebteq wrote:

the stuff you love today is the shit youll hate tomorrow?

are you talking about mariage now?

"A Real Music Hater"

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I'm not sure U/WE have to decide what will be remained..
Important/aesthetic/good value etc (call it as u like) things are already, or not, part of "history" either u want it or not, and whatever the used media..
It's vain to think of any kind of controlling/directing what will be remainded..
But nothing prevents u from collecting/sorting/sequencing/displaying your own life/things if u think it has any kind of interest...
History will tell later.. not u, not me, not us.

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Let me quote another Dutch saying:

"Wie schrijft die blijft"

translated

"Who writes is here to stay."

It depends ofcourse on future generations if they are interested in reading what is written.

"Are you loving?"

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life is to be lived, not recorded  wink

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Recorded life....isn't that what they call "culture"?

"Are you loving?"