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Zubeldia, You dont see this really happening because none of the political parties do something about the relatively low salaries of nurses, healthcare personnel and even police as well... other than PVV. These hardworking people we are talking about here are the ones who really deserve a raise, because most of them are into these jobs beacause their heart tells them they have to.
It is actually a discrace these working people did their hard work while they easily should earn 500 euro's  more each month.
You go and work a couple of weeks in a hospital or as a police officer... you soon find out once your paycheck arrives.

Wilders is the ONLY one who wants to cut into their own folks (workers for the government/city counsel/house of province) for cost reduction and at the same time decreasing bureaucracy, now with this you get my respect. Fact is; Ambtenaren (workers for the government, and the like) are getting pretty luxurious salaries, work about 4 hours a day and claim 8 for over decades already. Unless people like Wilders get into power and try to do something about this, although it will be difficult cause these 'ambtenaren' keep their hands above each other and do everything they can to keep it like it is... it won't ever change.
You dont have to agree with me (or Rude) but give this some clear thinking. And oh please... stop reading Dutch newspapers (because there are no good Dutch newspapers, all of them are heavily influenced by- again- government workers, and the majority of journalists here are not bright enough- or maybe are too lazy to break free of this) and stop watching the news. Try to find another aproach of looking onto things, now that'll 'free' your mind, you might see reality... its almost more scary than the shit they provide you with.
But hey, you guys are here so inna way you did this before, separating quality music from fake they play on the regular radio wink

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zubeldia and mono:

come on now. they are not racist just because they criticize a religion. in fact i agree almost 100% with them on this point, only i think its not just for islam but christianity too. theyre both violent religions who are after world domination..and as far as i'm concerned, both should be forbidden.  big_smile

personally, i'm not ashamed because i live in a country that has a party like the pvv as the 3rd of the country. i'm ashamed to live in a country where in what was once the gay capital of the world, gay couples are afraid to walk hand in hand on the street. where art exhibitions, stand up comedy shows and plays that have any sort of mention of islam are voluntary censored by the makers out of fear. where cartoonists are threatened and prosecuted for their freedom of speech. where teachers can't dicsuss WWII or gay rights in schools. where women dressed in sexy clothes are adressed as whores. THAT is where the intolerance starts, and it's not the party who says anything about this that is the intolerant or racist one.
i find it shameful that the left wing parties, who have fought for womens liberation and gay rights for decades, and now perfectly happy to throw all of this away and let the disciples of a medieval culture and religion turn back the clock. how many people would tolerate it if it was christians who were doing all this?

and btw obi, its not just in the government burocracy that people ''work'' like this. i see plenty of it in the cultural sector too.. lots of well paid, heavily subsidized jobs filled by people that make themselves look busy and important, but if you look what they actually do or accomplish.. pfff..

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In one word: Confusion!

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pvv is short for 'partij voor de vrijheid'. But come to think of it: when they thought of the name for the movement they must have grinned and purposely left 'van liegen en bedriegen' out. Hello 1 million voters of the pvv, you have been fooled. tongue
One example: The day after the election the movement pvv changed one of their main election points. Nuff said.

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oww, please. get off your high horse. this is one of the main reasons that is making the party bigger and bigger: the way they are treated by media and other politicians. if other parties do exactly the same, it's 'clever negotiation tactics '. if the pvv does it, it's lying.

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Hoofddoek boetes etc.
Partijleden die met blaffers op zak lopen.

Tuig is het meer niet.

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I agree with both Mono and Ruud. That's why I voted on the right side of the spectrum but not PVV.

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mono-poly wrote:

Hoofddoek boetes etc.
Partijleden die met blaffers op zak lopen.

Tuig is het meer niet.

Als je dan toch moet kiezen; zou ik me veiliger voelen als politici rondlopen met blaffers in plaats van illegalen

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mono-poly wrote:

Hoofddoek boetes etc.
Partijleden die met blaffers op zak lopen.

Tuig is het meer niet.

kom op, mono. dat boeteverhaal was provoceren, dat doen andere partijen op andere gebieden net zo erg. en die pistoolgast is beveiliger van beroep, hij had alleen voor dat evenement geen officiele vergunning voor een wapen. wel dingen in perspectief blijven zien.. big_smile

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Obi1r wrote:
mono-poly wrote:

Hoofddoek boetes etc.
Partijleden die met blaffers op zak lopen.

Tuig is het meer niet.

Als je dan toch moet kiezen; zou ik me veiliger voelen als politici rondlopen met blaffers in plaats van illegalen

politici met blaffers, nee dank je..

TB or not TB

61 (edited by ytz 2010-06-13 18:24:35)

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so is a vote for the PVV an anti-Islamic vote? or a pro-Holland vote?

and what about this?

wikipedia wrote:

On March 18, 2010, the PVV gave up trying to form a governing coalition in Almere. In a press release, the party said most of the other parties had refused to give ground to PVV demands on what it describes as "essential issues". These issues include the need for what the party called ‘city commandos’, street patrols that would keep order and maintain security in the town by lack of proper law enforcement. Other obstacles were the PVV’s demands for reduced taxes for Almere residents and its fight against what the party sees as "the increasing influence of Islam in Dutch society". The PVV complained that it was forced to stay in the opposition through the manoeuvering of the political elite

City commandos? Street patrols?

Do they also have a special salute? Or is this more harmless than it sounds (i.e. in England & Wales Community Support Officers, unarmed, wander around letting cats out of trees, helping alcoholics find their way to the off-license and telling kids to play nice)

cuties don't exert

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aka the black and tans

63 (edited by Brian Chinetti 2010-06-13 19:56:16)

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ytz wrote:

City commandos? Street patrols?

Exactly. The PVV singles out one group, creates a scapegoat that a lot of people in one way or another can relate too 'cause they see it happening', promises some obvious popular socialist solutions that again a lot of people can relate too and meanwhile they slowly but certainly will introduce a police state where commando's patrol our streets, where private information ends up in your passport, where you can get arrested preemptively, where a lot of social achievements get eroded... Nope, not a lot to be unashamed off...

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The outcome of the 2010 dutch election is that there are 7 political parties/movements with 10 or more seats in the parliament (tweede kamer). If you consider the CDA (christian democrats) as a right wing party then a liitle more then 50% is right wing (76 seats and 78 with support by the SGP, http://nos.nl/artikel/163831-gedoogsteu … inet.html).

The dutch political landscape seems to act like a metronome. The previous elections showed a preference for the left wing parties. It is a first for the VVD (conservatives) that is has become the largest party. The confessional parties (CDA) have declined the most. Another fact that stood out was the big difference between the polls before the elections and the final outcome.

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Brian Chinetti wrote:
ytz wrote:

City commandos? Street patrols?

Exactly. The PVV singles out one group, creates a scapegoat that a lot of people in one way or another can relate too 'cause they see it happening', promises some obvious popular socialist solutions that again a lot of people can relate too and meanwhile they slowly but certainly will introduce a police state where commando's patrol our streets, where private information ends up in your passport, where you can get arrested preemptively, where a lot of social achievements get eroded... Nope, not a lot to be unashamed off...

they even want etnic registration..

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66 (edited by ytz 2010-06-14 22:26:05)

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cebteq wrote:

aka the black and tans

they're different.

the CSOs are sort of laughing stock. they're basically dinner ladies.... who make no real difference but appease people who think higher police visibility = less crime (typical new labour compromise formation in other words)

cuties don't exert

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the city should have them man the surviellance cameras

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while ethnic registration may leave a bad aftertaste, nationality registration is nothing new. on shaunna's residency permit it says she's american. the real problem lies in the fact that a lot of these problem groups have the dutch nationality. if you want to do something about these problerms, you need to know first how big these groups are and how big the problem is. a lot of these problems are related to the specific background of these groups, so they all require a different method.

and while i'm not for city commandos, a little more police in the streets in these problem areas is not a bad idea. the basic problem is that the dutch police does nothing in a lot of these cases, and the leftwing politicians that are in power try to control these groups by either reasoning with them or pampering them, which clearly doesn't work.

ultimately, i dont think they'll be in any government though. their economic policies are too left for the right wing parties, and their immigration policies are too right for the left wing parties..

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Ruud you can't relate problems to ethnic background only there is so much more, stuff like education etc.
And yes the Police in NL really sucks they are only something to generate cash by tickets etc.

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So the day has come. We're fucked.

http://members.home.nl/arcee/mvmrgw.jpg

It just is..

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Binnen een paar maanden is het weer over.

i don't need the gear, the gear needs me 
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Clockwork wrote:

So the day has come. We're fucked.

http://members.home.nl/arcee/mvmrgw.jpg

No were not, just a lot of symbolic bullshit regarding immigrants and half baked savings. Nothing really shocking. Just another lame government with a muslimophobic edge. Nothing will change.

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holland is always one step ahead of the rest of europe in many things. this will happen in all countries now. in sweden the Nazis are in the government already, hungary too. next up finland.

xenophobia always picks up it's head in a severe economic downturn. this is what happened in germany in the 30's. it is happening now. it is a channel to vent the frustrations of the masses, while the real problems go unaddressed.

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Lol en een pvv-er in de cel gezeten voor het uitdelen van een kopstoot.
Nee geen jenever en een biertje.
Wat een lieverdjes zijn het toch.

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repressie here we come

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