Topic: Sync24

hello hello hello.
anyone knows anything about the possibility of sending sync24 out your midi output?
is that possible at all? is there any software around or some max/pd/supercollider patch to do that?

i was wondering..

Re: Sync24

That's a very interesting idea, I've never heard of such a thing.

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I dont think its possible to 'generate' 24din-sync with midi. But it is possible to send midi and sync thru the same port/cable but it needs an internal convertor or modification.

TB or not TB

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well, if a midi port can be used to send sync24 messages, there can be a program which tells the computer to do so. no?
i mean, thats why environments such as max.msp and pure data are for. isnt that right?
the crucial point is, are we sure that sync24 signal can be sent via midi output?

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It's the same cable, but completely different types of information.  Sync24 is just a 5 volt start/stop signal and 24 (2.51 volt, according to wikipedia) pulses per quarter note.  There's a program, silent way, that you can use to generate a dinsync signal from a dc coupled soundcard, but the audio outs are used, not the midi outs. 
http://www.dinsync.info/2010/05/using-silent-way.html
I think you just need the dc coupled soundcard for the start/stop signal - I've used the individual outs on my mpc2000xl to generate the pulses before.

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or maybe you can record and loop the din-signals and use 2 outs of a sampler (or soundcard)..

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I've done something similar with a  48ppqn loop sampled from a Linndrum tape sync out, then played back to it sync input, it worked very well, still synced perfectly after leaving it on for hours.

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@dequalsrxt: Hi, I know about silent way and am using it with my MOTU Ultralite. its excellent but i didn't know that they have DINSYNC functionality as well! i have been using it for cv and gate signals. i will check it out.
I also know about the cables (midi-sync etc..).
honestly, the whole silend sleepers thing gave me the idea to begin with of having some software sending sync24 from my midi or audio outlets.

@tony & freek: you mean actually record a sync out loop to a laptop for example and then play it back to the machine? (using some cable with jack on one side and dinsync/midi on the other)???
if so, this is groundbreaking.

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I was using a normal 1/4" cable, the start button had to be pushed on the Linn. 

I think Innerclock's software solution must be similar to this, but with additional outs for start/stop and more signal.

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alright!
i didnt know about innerclock.
also, i am trying to sync my mc202. the sync in's and out's are all "midi-looking". i wonder how i can send a sync signal using jack from my sound card into "midi-like" port on the 202..

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but why dont you get a midi-2-sync convertor?

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because i have just purchased a MOTU ultralite specifically in order to send cv/gate/sync messages directly from my sound card ...
and my midi-sync converter just broke this weekend smile i had one from d-tronics.
anyway...

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I use a Korg Kms-30 to do midi to sync24.  It works great.

If I had to do it another way, I'd try this : http://www.rv0.be/sudc.html or Silent Way.

I used to be a lot more picky for sync accuracy, but I've given up the fight and use Live's audio quantize feature a lot, it's the tightest thing ever!

While it's nice to explore all this and you might find a great solution, Freek's suggestion is likely the best.  Btw there's one selling on eBay US.

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i have also built the cable for that http://www.rv0.be/ plugin.  it works like silent way, its super tight+free!

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well., i am a PC user so forget about www.rv0.be/
but it gives be hope! i might be able to write a max patch to do that for me.

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If you can do a Max for Live thing for it, you'll be famous.

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there is  a windows beta

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I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to program something up on max.  If I was able to sync things up using the individual outs of my mpc, then max/live/whatever should be a cinch.  I would think, anyways...

19 (edited by crippletoe 2011-03-11 20:30:09)

Re: Sync24

hi everyone!
i made my own SYNC24 cable today and tested it with Silent Way (in Cubase)- it works like magic! apparently SilentWay LFO plug in has a SYNC24 Preset! no need to set anything but choose the preset!
I still have 2 questions though:
1. one problem i noticed though is that the machine (mc202) starts a little bit before the Cubase clock, for some reason.
anyone had that problem?
2. in my new sync cable i left the "ground" disconnected for now.
anyone knows if that's ok or should i connect it? i remember reading somewhere that its better to leave it disconnected but i cannot find that thread anymore.

thanks!

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That's great to know.

Have you set latency settings to your MIDI clock before? Maybe it's set ahead of time to compensate for external machines?

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great idea!
i will check that out!