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Stinki wrote:

@ JamesT you mean neo-conservative, not neo-liberal

i do mean neoliberal. not in the "political" sense as used in the states but in the economic sense as used worldwide.

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oops! that one's not much in my vocab and i jumped to the conclusion you'd just confused words. now i feel dumb.

@ cebteq - i don't live with my mom. i support her financially and am trying to buy her a house.

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good luck

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The debate was interesting. Unlike Bush McCain can actually string a sentence together but still it doesn't cut it. Also I like to look at how these guys run their campaigns because I feel it's a good indicator of their leadership/management skills and if they know how to surround themselves w/ the right people. McCain wanted Lieberman as VP and was persuaded otherwise then had to give back 50K of  sizeable donations because they were laundered/bundled through people who didn't even know who McCain was (this last one is of Nixonesque proportions). What does that say about McCain to me: he doesn't follow through on his convictions and with the money stuff ... at best he's incompetent and at worst a crook!

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but also shows he is a bad liar, cause he didnt get away with it

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Marco Tulio Thrash wrote:

best he's incompetent and at worst a crook!

like bush

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I don't even know where to start with the economy and this bailout.

The money definitely needs to go from the bottom (individual homeowners) up this time, and not the top down...

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Something needs to be done. I like the bottom-up idea but it isn't entirely clear how that would work. or, like, clear at all. I listened to Kucinich try to explain a proposed bottom-up plan last night, I guess the idea was give a bunch of money to struggling mortgage owners and then they could pay the failing banks and then everything would be OK...I think the hole is much deeper than that, I think all the banks would still fail and we'd still be left with a fucked economy. I would guess that the plan needs to be neither top-down or bottom-up but from all sides. Who knows.

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the idea they have is to lower taxes for businesses roll (by the way both obama and mccain approve)
government exists for corporations

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Cebteq ... I agree with you there.

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cebteq wrote:

the idea they have is to lower taxes for businesses roll (by the way both obama and mccain approve)
government exists for corporations

actually, the republicans had the idea to lower taxes for businesses, and democrats agreed to go along with it if republicans would let them add shit of their own, so those cuts will be offset elsewhere, like with a "Wall Street tax" of 25% on all stock trades.

basically both sides are making loads of demands that neither side wants to accept and while they're busy arguing businesses will keep going under and houses will keep receiving foreclosure notices at the rate of 200,000 per month

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meanwhile, back on the ranch:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/adg/836109998.html

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stinki, that

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Dez wrote:

meanwhile, back on the ranch:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/adg/836109998.html

title: sexy secretary of state smile

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@cebteq i agree with you (both parts), but i really don't know what's going on..if all the scare mongering about another great depression if this doesn't happen is true or not. i think paying slightly higher taxes is a lot better than breadlines if the economy collapses. it's a given that capitalism creates fucked up situations like this and that it sucks..

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I should add I'm especially anxious because we've had gas lines here in the south for weeks now and nobody seems to have even noticed...i had to wait 1,5 hrs for gas earlier this week, and i live in the middle of nowhere...people are sleeping in their cars in other places...suddenly it became a little easier to imagine everything falling apart

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for me there really is no change (i live a reasonable life i guess, little debt and my savings does not exceed $100,000 lol)

maybe you should invest in a hybrid car, or motorcycle.  isnt it warm where you live?

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Stinki wrote:

@cebteq i agree with you (both parts), but i really don't know what's going on..if all the scare mongering about another great depression if this doesn't happen is true or not. i think paying slightly higher taxes is a lot better than breadlines if the economy collapses. it's a given that capitalism creates fucked up situations like this and that it sucks..

I don't really know what's going on either (does anyone?), but that fear mongering is one of the reasons why I appose the bailout. It's the same tactics that got us into Iraq.

Fool me once...

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think for yourself (stinki's main problem wink)

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Well that's the thing...My intuition says "no bailout", but I can't give you solid, objective reasons for that.

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capitalism, nationalism, imperialism.. what comes next?

Monkey see, monkey do.

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socialism?

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anarchist communism

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Dez wrote:

Well that's the thing...My intuition says "no bailout", but I can't give you solid, objective reasons for that.

honestly i dont think you should worry.  your money is insured up to 100K and if you want to buy a house (like stinki) its good because houses are dirt cheap.  the major problem is losing your job, but im sure you got family to help you there.  it'll be harder to get credit, but ask yourself if you really need it.

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Dez wrote:

Well that's the thing...My intuition says "no bailout", but I can't give you solid, objective reasons for that.

Well, I run a business, and I have friends that run businesses, and times are bad. And they've been bad for years now. And now suddenly there's warnings that things could get really bad, when until now bad times have been painted rosy. I think all the signs are there and economists are fairy unanimous about a serious recession coming soon. Whether there will actually be breadlines, well, I doubt it. I think it is clear some extra bad shit is happening with the economy right now. I think "no bailout" is an emotional reaction to a Gov't that's yanked us around and doesn't seem to care about us but cares about big biz, and that's fine, but it's not any sort of solution to the problem that is going to affect us all.

@cebteq gas lines are the least of my worries. as for thinking for myself...i have a degree in media production, which means i've been professionally trained to create it and with the ability to dissect it. i enjoy it. i obsess about it.