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Hey biotek, he wants to know what side you're on...
yeah, so we can have a good fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuOlGGl97dI
sharpening the knives...
ah well, there weren't really very opposing sides, I guess
only cebteq getting everyone wound up with his remarks about people selling out
which is in fact very funny from someone who's a business analyst 
im glad you see the irony
and yes it feels good to shoot down half of the peoples livelihoods on this forum
if you dont want your ip (which may be forced by third part) to decide which web sites you are allowed to visit in the future get your people in the european parlament to vote for Amandment 138
i got a respone only from [url=http://hokmark.eu/pa-vag-till-strasbourg-med-telekompaket-etc/]Gunnar H
I don't know which planet you live but over here on earth unless you happen to get a grant from the state (unlikely in the case of 'electronic music') you're as good as unemployed in the eyes of the bureacracy. That means living way under 1000 euros a month (considered as the poverty line.) Since you're unemployed you don't collect pension money from your income but you can seek for an artist pension grant from the state if you're distinguished enough (again highly unlikely in the case of 'electronic music'.)
So the bottom line in Finland is, play ball and get a grant or fuck off and die.
dude by all means get outta that cold ass country and come join me in USA. You can still currently make good money here and do your music. fuck pensions and shit. you can make all the money you need on your own like I do.
dont play for the Finnish come play for the Americans. Our arms are open!
Personally I wouldn't even want to be a fulltime musician (as it is narrowly defined by society) in the first place. It would severally limit my time for other interests. But our grant system definetly needs lots of improvement if the state's intention is truly to support culture and art. Unfortunately most finns wouldn't want to pay more taxes to support such things.
I'm predicting a massive network made up of secure VPN connections to share files...... Impossible to trace
But our grant system definetly needs lots of improvement if the state's intention is truly to support culture and art.
but why is so much help needed from the state? why cant musicians and artist make some cash to fund their own endeavors?
maybe I am missing a part of the equasion
as far as VPN connections and encrypted torrents; I only wish I knew what those were
biotek wrote:But our grant system definetly needs lots of improvement if the state's intention is truly to support culture and art.
but why is so much help needed from the state? why cant musicians and artist make some cash to fund their own endeavors?
maybe I am missing a part of the equasion
that's exactly the difference between Europa and US, I guess
US is much more Do It Yourself
Funkbox wrote:biotek wrote:But our grant system definetly needs lots of improvement if the state's intention is truly to support culture and art.
but why is so much help needed from the state? why cant musicians and artist make some cash to fund their own endeavors?
maybe I am missing a part of the equasion
that's exactly the difference between Europa and US, I guess
US is much more Do It Yourself
because while artists can make some cash they necessarely don't. that's why you need a grant system, and I like that there are still some values that aren't printed in green ink.
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Nvrmnd
because while artists can make some cash they necessarely don't. that's why you need a grant system, and I like that there are still some values that aren't printed in green ink.
I see your point, but personally I hover between the DIY and grantsystem
I see here in Holland with arts, music and film that some people get lazy with grants or more worse: they become less creative
also: making money is for a lot of people a dirty word and I never understand that
what's wrong with making money with something you love to do? I think that's 100% perfect!
on the other hand: if it's only about the money than lots of things don't get a chance, so giving grants is necessary
So what's wrong in doing something that you love and not make money out of it?
nothing ... But it is great to make living out of what you love
Society seems to disagree strongly there.
It's possible albeit increasingly difficult nowadays. There are quite a few techno/electronic artists that I personally know who make living from music and love what they do; I don't consider them as sell outs by any standards.
There are quite a few brilliant people I know too that can't make a living out of it.
i think art has been ruined by grant schemes.
i am not convinced grant schemes are good for art, they may be good for the artist, because he doesnt need to get a job, but that doesnt mean his art will be better.
i work a job to fund myself, no problem. i havnt made money from it in 3 years. i could've kept making the same things over and over and known i would be able to sell them, (as advised by many) but that is really not what it is about.
i think there needs to be a distinction between art, and product.
Well, the word "art" has a negative cling to it nowadays, at least to myself. It seems to me today that everything and nothing is art ...
art has always been everything and nothing
About DIY versus grant:
No grant goes without guidelines, and there are some simple "dont's" you have to avoid when you want to get a grant in something creative, and that goes from the content (for example a negative position against the state in your content), over to other annoying guidelines like having to show this and this amount of progress until this and this date, or you just won't get money.
What I can see is some people censor themselves, others work long time on presenting something in a way that the goverment likes it, and a lot have to fit their working mode according to guidelines that they didn't make themselves - and imo all that is everything else than vital to your work.
And I do agree that having less money, pushes you to (creatively) find workarounds for things you simply can't afford.
I really feel I wanna be free with all my work and don't concern myself with bureaucratic shit, don't think about if I earn my money with art, music, promoting or whatsover (doing more different things means also more bureacracy, all being granted slightly different ).
If i take some boring 9-5 job at the national transit system, I'll get insurance, a regular income, and save money for my pension.
If I make music I get none of the three in europe, in the us too, but there taking a regular job doesnt bring you that many extra advantages compared to 'being your own boss'. Thats why I think that the argument of "equal opportunities" being often used in favor of socialism is lacking proof in many cases...
i think art has been ruined by grant schemes.
Grants have always been a part of art too, whether it comes from an underground record label or the Holy Roman Church.
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