Topic: Plan-B Warning!

Here is a little warning to everyone about Plan-B.
Do not buy any stuff from this douchbag who runs this company.
He is a BIG asshole who steals people monney and insult them.
Even the kids he gets to work for him.
Check the treads i dd post:

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4907
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5013
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4966
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4965
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4940
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4652
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5291

Go for Plan-A witch is Wiard if you want cool east coast sounding stuff.

i don't need the gear, the gear needs me 
http://www.mono-poly.nl/

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Monopoly sorry to hear you were involved in all of that.

On another note...
Wow ... this is better than Berkan Gulen ... drama-wise of course

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I left it all behind me just wanna warn others.

i don't need the gear, the gear needs me 
http://www.mono-poly.nl/

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thats some crazy stuff there.. and quite a few names i remember from my analogue heaven days in the 90's. all i can say is that i dealt with peter a few times in those years, and he was always a friendly and helpful guy, he helped me out with a lot of info and tips about the serge modules you have now, mono..

also in a lot of these kind of threads, things are not always what they seem.. i also remember from those days that a lot of those guys had some kind of issue with each other asnd there were hidden agendas all over..but it seems obvoius that something'\s going on there..

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good for the warning mono, thats what we all should do when encountering fraudulent businesses.

I do feel somehow a bit dual about the poster (employee) thats comes out of the closet only when HE gets no money....before it wasnt much of a problem to participate in the fraud.....maybe I am missing something here..

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It sucks to hear about this, these guys have there businesses near me and I was not aware of this shitty way they have been conducting things.

Are there products all that unique? I will research and perhaps I can clone or tweak it for better. So the VCO is the most wanted or the filter?

Planet of Cevo

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Septicstudio wrote:

I do feel somehow a bit dual about the poster (employee) thats comes out of the closet only when HE gets no money....before it wasnt much of a problem to participate in the fraud.....maybe I am missing something here..

it's always a good idea to be very sceptical about these kind of things like employees suddenly opening their mouths, as the real story can never be checked or backed up. and again, there may be a hidden agenda behind it we know nothing about.
but if so many people complain about not getting their stuff, then you know something is not right..

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Are the PCB's Plan B is using Pro CNC manufactured with soldermask or are they selling cheapo pcb's where you can see the Silver tracing and the pcb is yellow in color?

Dude should of just given everyone's money back and taken the financial loss like a Man.
From reading some of the forums it sounds like his pops got sick and he had to move back to his home town. He should of just hired a bunch more help to solder those orders together.

Planet of Cevo

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wow I love this story, now there's allegations of crack or meth use and prostitution!
it's like reality tv mixed in with modular synths.

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hehe, I read thru some of that a while ago. what a douchbag indeed. it's like a course on how NOT to run a business.

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Yeah I took a look at pictures, they are using "no solder mask" pcb's. That is the cheapest of the cheapest. Eventually the tin traces will corrode, and faster then other devices because it is more open air in a modular setting.

Yes definitely stay away from plan-b. If these guys give you a schematic when you buy a product. Pass it around like a dirty whore and me or others can do it proper and supply a kit so you are not robbed again.

Planet of Cevo

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Good quality PCB's look like this:
these are my new Do everything (i want) VCO's
-they have independant midi
-have animated saw (detune/supersaw)
-independant slew(portamento)
-a shit load of CV inputs.
-ability to have there own power supply. VCO's should have priority power Juice I am finding.

in my setup (1) vco has it's own independent powersupply, and the other (2) vco's are sharing an onboard powersupply.
I was able to do this using a center tap 12-0-12v transformer. (1) secondary 12-0v goes to one powersupply, the other secondary 12-0v goes to the other powersupply (the power supply design is from MFOS). I have never seen this done, but i can tell you it works. usually one transformer is for (1) bi polar power supply.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/blue_lantern320/STUFF%20I%20OWN/101_0059.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/blue_lantern320/STUFF%20I%20OWN/101_0058.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/blue_lantern320/STUFF%20I%20OWN/101_0060.jpg

Planet of Cevo

13 (edited by no-fi 2009-05-25 14:57:32)

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Blue Maquina wrote:

Yeah I took a look at pictures, they are using "no solder mask" pcb's. That is the cheapest of the cheapest. Eventually the tin traces will corrode, and faster then other devices because it is more open air in a modular setting.

That's wrong.


cool modular setup you've got going there. I like the 1/4" jack modulars...

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Maybe I saw a "proto" and you are correct. I am wrong. I guess I was just talk'n shit. Haha,

Planet of Cevo

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Wow...too much drama.

A shame really...I always heard cool things about those modules, considered getting some myself.

Anyway, thanks for the warning.

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There is also Wiard smile

i don't need the gear, the gear needs me 
http://www.mono-poly.nl/

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Blue Maquina wrote:

Maybe I saw a "proto" and you are correct. I am wrong. I guess I was just talk'n shit. Haha,

and its another great example of people being wrongly accused by someone who has either no clue what they are talking about, or can't be bothered do to some research before they post their comments..

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Blue Maquina wrote:

Maybe I saw a "proto" and you are correct. I am wrong. I guess I was just talk'n shit. Haha,

I have no idea what the finished modules from planB look like. I never owned one.

What you're wrong about is what a lack of solder mask on a PCB means, especially in relation to corrosion. And you're wrong when you say a board that you can see "silver" tracks on is basically an inferior product.

do you even know what solder mask on a PCB is actually for?

hint 1: it's named pretty well.
hint 2: for hand soldered through-hole boards it's pretty much unnecessary.



rude66 wrote:

and its another great example of people being wrongly accused by someone who has either no clue what they are talking about, or can't be bothered do to some research before they post their comments..

yep.

by all means, hate on the guy for what seems to be his massive and systematic ripping off of so many customers.. but jumping on and randomly attacking everything about the guy and his company is just plain wrong.

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Ruud trust me Peter Grenader is a dickhead.
He fucked up my old Serge system years a go.
Check the muffwiggler forum and see how he ignores almost everyone.

i don't need the gear, the gear needs me 
http://www.mono-poly.nl/

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yeah, i read that forum.. problem is, for an outsider (like all of us here except you it seems) its almost impossible to figure out who is right and who is wrong. as i said, it seems like he doesn't have his business under control, but i also see too much other crap being said there that is either just too freaky (the drugs and prostitution part) or or just too dubious (the parts about the ex employee) to really take seriously.. at least it's stuff not to be taken at face value.

as i said, i know peter from the AH list way back, and he was always a very helpful guy there (yeah with ego issues, but all those guys had that.. try talking to people like paul from motm or kevin lightner..) he provided me with plenty of help for things like schematics for both my own serge modules and the cem's serge for maintenance, asking nothing in return. but hey, thats years ago and people can change..

it sounds to me like things grew above his head businesswise, and on top of that he had family matters to attend, and it all sort of blew up. and yes, i can understand that if you have serious family matters, the business has to take a step back if you're all doing it on your own.

these days, there are a lot of people that feel the need to instantly shout ripoff at even the slightest thing.. i've even experienced some of these guys just selling stupid cd's on discogs. so combine peter's trouble with customers like that and you have a recipe for disaster..:D

i think a lot of people tend to forget these are almost literally one man operations.. a small piece of dust is far more likely to make their machine grind to a halt that at bigger companies..

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I waited 3 years for a custom serge job.
Every time i got false information.
And at the end when i got what i wanted it was fucked up.

i don't need the gear, the gear needs me 
http://www.mono-poly.nl/