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This is all quite mad. I've no idea why Glasgow got so Draconian at the weekend. It's not normally like that.
Worst experience I ever had was trying to get into the US via Washington DC. They made me feel like I was guilty of something from the moment I stepped off the plane.
It's hard to care much about the poverty & hardship of others, when soo many people in this country have their own poverty issue's...one of the worst child poverty rates across all of Europe, some life expectancy lower than India. Is it wrong or xenophobic to want a goverment to put the well being of it's own citizens, before others....?
That's the plain and simple truth - although saying this usually gets you labelled as a Daily Mail reading, baby eating, racist bastard.
look at the bigger picture from a practical perspective: illegal immigration is never going to magically disappear. and you can bet g4s is making a huge profit from handling these detainees, especially seeing as many are being held for long period of time.
now this is no statistically valid survey, but the dozen or so people i met *wanted* to work, wanted to be productive and peaceful members of whatever country they were living.
what makes you think that this deportation process actually protects UK society and saves the UK government any money? i'll go out on a limb and say that people are fooling themselves if they think it's actually about promoting the well-being of UK citizens. judging by what i've read about Dungavel and other detention centres, this is about private company's making money, and to a certain extent, about intolerance to other races.
do you really think illegal immigration is the cause of poverty in the UK? or that supporting asylum-seekers has a noticeably negative impact on the quality of life for the rest?
blaming immigrants for social ills is just a ruse to avert attention from the elephant in the room - let me point your eyes in the direction of the UK government and the financial institutions who more or less dictate policy through both legal and illegal lobbying.
jay - in response to your deleted comment, let me amicably say that i volunteered with various action groups and humanitarian organizations over the years, ie. working in soup kitchens, doing Food Not Bombs shit, street activism and protests, etc. my 7 years of post-secondary education almost led me to work in the criminal justice system. i even turned down a job with the RCMP after waiting a year for security clearance.
i'm not down with so-called lifestyle-politics, eg. wearing a patch to prove something.
of course i'm more biased than ever, because i'm just another loser immigrant 
Blimey!
Is all I can say!
echoes of 'Children of Men' the Clive Owen movie!
one last thought: seeing as much of the wealth of the UK, America & EU was built on the backs of Africa, South & East Asia, i find it specious when it's suggested that it's OK for countries to argue that "we should be just looking out for our own" - especially when a lot of the ongoing conflicts in Africa, South & East Asia stem from colonialist ambitions.
case in point: is it OK to deport an iraqi refugee that comes to the UK to escape rocketing levels of violence, ignited by UK military action in Iraq? or what about those escaping Somalia's downward spiral after trying to liberate themselves from british colonial rule? it really seems that most refugees come from places where western colonialism has had a real cluster-fuck impact.
the truth is that every year, an order of magnitude of more money is spent on military and corporate ambitions than what it would take to support, integrate & educate immigrants. blaming poverty in the UK and America on immigration flies in the face of the facts of economic expenditure. look at the national budgets and you'll see what i mean.
of course 'I' don't think that illegal immigration is the cause of poverty in the UK...that would be inept goverment, poor housing, poor education etc. But the people who find themself in the midst of poverty ,forgotten and neglected by the goverment are always looking for the easy scape-goat. They aren't really looking at things from the 'practical & informed' perspective that you have
Whether the immigrant's want to work, they will need state assistance to get on their feet ie housing...and what do they do??..dump them in the most deprived area's, where the poorest, & least educated people strive to exist..or ' Daily Mail reading, baby eating, racist bastards'....this leads to more social tension, running down these hard-up area's even further. Why would a council want to fix-up an area, when neds & junkies run riot every nite robbing, putting in the windows of the' bloody foreigners', soo they just let these places rot & fester. Perhaps you don't realise the level of poverty & poor education in glasgow, truly shocking....the deeply rooted bigoted, ignorant, mentality that runs through deprived area's, like a poison.
Hang on a moment - I hope all this 'blaming poverty in the UK and America on immigration' isn't aimed at Dumbot and I? We're saying our country has a hard time looking after its own let alone an influx of asylum seekers and potential immigrants i.e. our country was shit in the first place. But saying this still gets you labelled with the bad bastard tag.
As for the whole immigration game - if someone wants to come to the UK, work hard, integrate into the system and pay their tax and national insurance contributions I'm 100% behind them. Many of the jobs they end up doing are the jobs our UK workshy, benefit scrounging, fucktards should be doing but can't be bothered doing because they're a bunch of workshy, benefit scrounging, fucktards who think these jobs are beneath them.
If someone comes to the UK in search of free stuff, organise crime and just generally do nothing for the country they are now in - there is NO WAY this can be denied because it's happening constantly - then they can get the fuck out. Simple as.
Some come to do the former, some come to do the latter.
Where's my Daily Mail...?
LOL at us simultaneously battering away at the keys 
The profits made not only by g4s but also by Glasgow City council are shocking. The whole idea of a dispersal policy devloped out ofthe fact that Glasgow had lots of poor housing and no one to live in them. Thus the funding attached to dispersal as they call it made it seem attractive to the council.
Then there is the Angel Group who buy up cheap housing and then rent to Government schemes. Its a gravy train that thrives on misery. The levels of poverty in Glasgow are shocking.
We have a declining population and just think how many peopl you know who have left to go to London, Australia etc etc
I know several people who were academics and professionals before they came here and are now working as support workers and doing whatever part time jobs they can. There are a lot of talented people out there who happen to have lived in a war zone.
My father has set himself up in his retirement teaching these very people English.
My father has set himself up in his retirement teaching these very people English.
I bet that is a lot more enjoyable than teaching in you average High School.
Indeed. He just can't stop teaching. And when he's not doing that he's taking folk on tours of the Old Course (and is about to write a book on it too). I hope when I'm his age I'm still that active!
i know very well what kind of poverty lies in glasgow, seeing as my father-in-law grew up there and my mother-in-law lived there with him for 5 years.
no, my comments weren't directed at you, iamelectron or dumbbot. i was thinking of the average punter on the street who just believes what they read in the daily mail. i know you're both aware of the bigger issues, and how complex the whole situation is. it's crazy to support blind immigration - i like to play the devil's advocate here, because it's easy to forget the history which brought us to this current calamity.
i have no answers, just a desire for fairness (whatever that entails...)
one last thought: seeing as much of the wealth of the UK, America & EU was built on the backs of Africa, South & East Asia, i find it specious when it's suggested that it's OK for countries to argue that "we should be just looking out for our own" - especially when a lot of the ongoing conflicts in Africa, South & East Asia stem from colonialist ambitions.
case in point: is it OK to deport an iraqi refugee that comes to the UK to escape rocketing levels of violence, ignited by UK military action in Iraq? or what about those escaping Somalia's downward spiral after trying to liberate themselves from british colonial rule? it really seems that most refugees come from places where western colonialism has had a real cluster-fuck impact.
the truth is that every year, an order of magnitude of more money is spent on military and corporate ambitions than what it would take to support, integrate & educate immigrants. blaming poverty in the UK and America on immigration flies in the face of the facts of economic expenditure. look at the national budgets and you'll see what i mean.
Michel, sorry to hear about your experiences.
Agree with what you say, but we don't even (until a recent court case) let in people who've fought for the country (The Gurkhas), so how anybody who 'just' wants to escape a conflict like the iraq war thinks they are going to get in I've no idea, we're not doing much to help people who worked as interpreters for the armed forces there either (unless of course they did it for longer than a set period of time) damn shame their lives are in danger now!
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