Re: What new booty have you acquired?
if you can get around the mono screen and somewhat archaic graphics, the atari will win hands down..
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if you can get around the mono screen and somewhat archaic graphics, the atari will win hands down..
Sony MDS JA30 ES MiniDisc player
very happy with the purchase
hs80m's, finally i can hear the 808 kick
if you can get around the mono screen and somewhat archaic graphics, the atari will win hands down..
seriously?
i know it's got tightest timing but...
hs80m's, finally i can hear the 808 kick
hey ramos, would like to hear your opinion on the monitors.. i've been thinking about the same pair
ramos wrote:hs80m's, finally i can hear the 808 kick
hey ramos, would like to hear your opinion on the monitors.. i've been thinking about the same pair
So far so good, i haven't set them up properly but i plugged them into my mixer and had a bit of a play lastnight.
When i move into my new house and set them up properly i'll let you know. but damn they sound awesome already, no need for a sub.
rude66 wrote:if you can get around the mono screen and somewhat archaic graphics, the atari will win hands down..
seriously?
i know it's got tightest timing but...
I think a lot of this "Atari has the best midi timing" thing is an urban myth. What are people defining as better midi timing? What are you comparing it against, what has bad midi timing? Are you talking about the midi clock signal or midi notes or both?
if you can get around the mono screen and somewhat archaic graphics, the atari will win hands down..
You can connect the ST(E) to an ordinary monitor with an adapter. I like archaic graphics, but I don't like the that for example updating a windows contents or position is quite slow. But the MV is not much better in this regard...
ramos wrote:hs80m's, finally i can hear the 808 kick
hey ramos, would like to hear your opinion on the monitors.. i've been thinking about the same pair
i have a pair too. Hard to say if they are great or not because the only other ones i have used are the event 20/20's. I can say that they are a lot different. I have a lot of trouble hearing what things will sound like on large speaker systems. The way my room is set up I have to stand 6 feet away to hear the bass fully hit.
mekonin wrote:rude66 wrote:if you can get around the mono screen and somewhat archaic graphics, the atari will win hands down..
seriously?
i know it's got tightest timing but...I think a lot of this "Atari has the best midi timing" thing is an urban myth. What are people defining as better midi timing? What are you comparing it against, what has bad midi timing? Are you talking about the midi clock signal or midi notes or both?
changing looping entry points on the fly without losing the sync..(also works when midiSync slaved)
reset on stop & re-start..(no lag)
hit key #3 for stuck start note
(and the good old memorymute).*
the only flaw is the mouse really (but there are plenty keyboards shortcuts that make it nearly useless)
atari = reliable
you can get mice ( i think they are originally made for commodores) that are less clunky for the atari.
the midi sync story is not a myth, its 100% true. i've worked with them for many years, and after that even using mmt8's, mc500's, q80's, mpc's, or anything on a mac or pc, i've never encountered such tight timing. as in"everything runs in tight sync with each other, and every note is played as it should be. even in my current setup i have to start a track 3 or 4 times before i have 4 drum machines in midi clock, one in midi clock-din sync and 2 synth arpeggiators running 100% in sync. on the atari this took one try.
For the mouse, You can't use standard commodore Amiga mouses for the ST, there was however the legendary Naksha mouse which you could switch between Atari and Amiga with a button.
atari = reliable
I wouldn't say the reliablest it crashed now and then (but maybe that was because of the DCA crack) more often then my AMiga
you can get mice ( i think they are originally made for commodores) that are less clunky for the atari.
the midi sync story is not a myth, its 100% true. i've worked with them for many years, and after that even using mmt8's, mc500's, q80's, mpc's, or anything on a mac or pc, i've never encountered such tight timing. as in"everything runs in tight sync with each other, and every note is played as it should be. even in my current setup i have to start a track 3 or 4 times before i have 4 drum machines in midi clock, one in midi clock-din sync and 2 synth arpeggiators running 100% in sync. on the atari this took one try.
midiclock sending from modern PCs/MACs and so, is not reliable indeed for sequencing older stuff (and modern arps and so aswell). Midiclock generated by a PC or Mac tends to drift quite alot (jittering) and when starting, it happens many times that a external seq start a note too late or so aswell...I gave up and installed midi mods in all my seq gear hehe. I sequence em directly from my DAW then you will have no probs...But no 'groove' aswell hehe
One application where its comes also above water is when syncing via PC/Mac midiclock external delays. Some delays from cheap ass synths will skip and retrigger/restart delay again and again, because the delay gets a new clockspeed every random sec. Quasimidi was one of the brands thats suffers alot from this for instance.
Thats a good good price I have one and its a whole heap of fun. You can only trigger the Ensemble by using a footswitch tho..
Also one thing w/ the Atari is the ultra accurate tempo setting (up to the 0.001th bpm)
i found that some PC's were way off..but again i only slave PC's in case i need to beatmatch a wav (acapella or such)
i usually send midi clock via the usual midi out port 1 and use a small physical interface to send midi timecode via the Printer port..(requires a few bars precount)
i know people who just keep the atari for the clockage of their machines..though they don't use it for sequencing anymore
The Atari can be updated quite well these days. I've got my Atari connected to an SVGA adapter cable going into my TFT screen - my PC is connected to the DVI input and the input can be swapped over from the TFT menu. It's great having a hi-res mode on a big TFT, years ago I used medium-res on a black and white 12" telly!
For the mouse I'm using PeST, which lets you use a standard PS2 mouse and has mouse acceleration. Works really well.
Just about to order UltraSatan - a CompactFlash based hard drive.
All this to run Trackman, a shit hot pattern based sequencer, modelled on the Linn 9000.
The Atari can be updated quite well these days. I've got my Atari connected to an SVGA adapter cable going into my TFT screen - my PC is connected to the DVI input and the input can be swapped over from the TFT menu. It's great having a hi-res mode on a big TFT, years ago I used medium-res on a black and white 12" telly!
For the mouse I'm using PeST, which lets you use a standard PS2 mouse and has mouse acceleration. Works really well.
Just about to order UltraSatan - a CompactFlash based hard drive.
All this to run Trackman, a shit hot pattern based sequencer, modelled on the Linn 9000.
Thanks! This really made my day!
Ruud: Which MIDI-interface and sequencer do you use on the Atari? Have you used several MIDI-interfaces at the same time? I've got a MIDEX+ and hopes that it will work smoothly with both Cubase and Creator...
midiclock sending from modern PCs/MACs and so, is not reliable indeed for sequencing older stuff
I recently tested out Ableton Live 7 running on my PC, sending a midi clock signal out via a Motu 828 MKII device into a Kenton Pro Solo II ( to convert midi to din-sync) and from this into the din-sync port of a TR808.
I set Ableton as the master clock and let it play at 120 bpm, and had a pattern running on the TR808 which just consisted of a rim shot on every beat (4 rim shots in a bar). I recorded this at 44100hz and let it play for about five minutes. Then I opened the audio file up in a wave editor and did a bit of checking.
The 44100hz sampling frequency means that 44100 samples will be recorded every second, so that means 44.1 samples = 1 millisecond. So starting from the first rim shot each one should be exactly 0.5 seconds after the other (4 rims in one bar, 120bpm / 60 * 4 = 0.5). 0.5 seconds = 22050 samples. So each rim shot should be 22050 samples after the other.
Going through the five minutes of rim shots I measured a maximum deviation (ie jitter) of where the rim shot should be of only 8 samples, which is approximately 0.181 milliseconds.
I'd be interesting in getting an Atari if its timing is even better. What kind of adapter are people using with their Atari to get midi out, and what sequencing software is being used?
You can get quality timing on PCs/Macs too but you just have to be careful with the midi interface ... Some of them have terrible latency/jitter values and I think that contributes to the fact that people think modern computers have sloppy midi timing. That Motu device obviously has a great midi interface.
Just sync your 808 with audio.
I'm on Live 8 and apart from having to set what I think i an almost unreasonable amount of latency, the clock is consistent and very tight, both on a midi Linndrum, an 808 throught an Encore expressionnist and a Jupiter-4 arp.
The Expressionist is receiving midi fro an Echo Layla, the Linn and JP-4 through a MOTU fastlane usb.
I too think the sloppy timing on computers is exaggerated, a lot of the time it has to do with latency, which is not ideal but can be corrected, and maybe the fact that the pc is being used for too many different processes at the same time.
mono/poly
sweet!
Hey did you end up getting the Forat 9000?
Noooo...dude never got back to me. I don't think I was quick enough on the draw
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