Topic: The Minimal Disco Thread

Hello one and all,

After a question I raised in the "techno techno techno techno" thread I seriously began thinking about what this would sound like. So this morning I started on something.

There are a few things to bear in mind here:

I don't have much experience of techno, let alone subgenres and what little knowledge I could gather from typing "minimal techno" into youtube and the wiki page seemed a little unclear. What I could see however was the influence of Steve Reich, Terry Riley and Philip Glass on the genre (unconsciously I feel from the youtube clips, very consciously from the wiki page) and I actually know a fair bit about they way those composers wrote music, so this is the direction I was coming from. Without wanting to get too academic (which I think ruins a lot of the fun sometimes) I felt that this was an exercise in Retro-Futurism, which is essentially trying to imagine what art will be like in the future.

So after that I set myself some rules:
1) The genre should most likely be somewhere between 90 and 125 bpm, any faster I feel it would turn into techno (or my impression of techno) anyway
2) All synths and drum machines should be from the disco / italo disco era
3) Any post editing or sound creation should be achievable with analog (or at least outboard) gear (ie. no obvious timestretching, naturally if I wanted to get a sample or loop in time that would be allowed as long as any digital artifacts couldn't be heard)
4) Try and get as many poly-rhythmic elements in there as possible

The track is far from sparse, but is based on a lot of classical minimal techniques.

All work for this genre from myself will be under the name THE SHEPARDTONES because I think it is a good name

here is the track:
The Shepardtones - Reichatronics <--- CLICK HERE

Essentially I'm looking for feedback and criticism, I also want to encourage others to have a go at making some "minimal disco" themselves and to share the results either with everyone here or at least just me.

email me here: antonmaiof (at) gmail.com

Please ignore those rules I set for myself and come up with your own.

I very much look forward to the results!

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wow, nice track! sounds a bit like Alden Tyrell.

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Cheers.

Will you be attempting to join me on this magickal quest for a new genre?

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well you already set a high standard, hehe.
but when I accidentally get some creativity I will think about your idea.

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ha.

but remember, it's not my idea, it's the idea.

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arthur russell did it ages ago

7 (edited by Maiovvi 2009-08-17 19:34:17)

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hmm. I wish you'd mentioned that earlier... wink

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Can you name some examples of this?

In truth the only Arthur Russell I know is the solo cello stuff.

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It's a cool well produced track even if it's not entirely a new genre.   I'll have a go altough I'm off to pitch my tent for a week so it may be some time before I post something. 

Knowing how quickly trends change it'll probably be "minimal minimal" instead of "minimal disco" by the time I get back.

Damn, even "minimal minimal" has been done before:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HypmW4Yd7SY[/youtube]

10 (edited by Maiovvi 2009-08-17 21:14:51)

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Cage is a big influence of mine, though 4'33 is by far his most well known piece, check out the awesome Water Walk

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSulycqZH-U[/youtube]

doesn't really get going until 4.30 but the intro is amusing anyway.

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And I always thought the Who were the first band to smash their instruments on stage smile

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Wishmountain anyone?

"Hey Sweden."
"They're Norwegian Mac."
http://weforfeit.blogspot.com.es/

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Guyver 303 wrote:

Wishmountain anyone?

is this who you mean?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvggdcHkl1I[/youtube]

it's nice, but probably a bit fast to be Minimal Disco

this John Carpenter / Alan Howarth track from the Halloween III score is more what I mean

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvCGSVr0U9M[/youtube]

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No, more the stuff that came out on Evolution and had a bit of a John Cage with a sampler sound.

"Hey Sweden."
"They're Norwegian Mac."
http://weforfeit.blogspot.com.es/

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Ah cool. I should probably read up before I post.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyIoIgqEqVw[/youtube]

I think this fits

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Wonderful sounding stuff

17 (edited by Maiovvi 2009-08-18 17:43:27)

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I started a blog to keep track of some of this stuff here: http://minimaldisco.blogspot.com

I have also spent the afternoon with Berlin producer Jayrope working under the title Discobay (a wonderful bad pun on Pirate Bay and Dis-Obey) which can be downloaded here:

Discobay - Transgenderhund

Equipment used:
TR606 (Sync'd to Logic via a Jomox XBase09)
Korg Mono/Poly (Sync'd via Arp Trigger in from XBase09)
Upright Piano

Just had this sent to me as well from someone in the UK

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pep3aRLgi8[/youtube]

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Maiovvi wrote:

I don't have much experience of techno, let alone subgenres and what little knowledge I could gather from typing "minimal techno" into youtube and the wiki page seemed a little unclear. What I could see however was the influence of Steve Reich, Terry Riley and Philip Glass on the genre (unconsciously I feel from the youtube clips, very consciously from the wiki page) and I actually know a fair bit about they way those composers wrote music, so this is the direction I was coming from. Without wanting to get too academic (which I think ruins a lot of the fun sometimes) I felt that this was an exercise in Retro-Futurism, which is essentially trying to imagine what art will be like in the future.

Wow man, you live in berlin and never heard minimal techno?
thats like going to carneval and not hearing any samba or shit...
it's pretty easy to make actually, you just need  a subwoofer to give a big "woom" every second and an old mobile phone to make some bleeps.

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score100 wrote:
Maiovvi wrote:

I don't have much experience of techno, let alone subgenres and what little knowledge I could gather from typing "minimal techno" into youtube and the wiki page seemed a little unclear. What I could see however was the influence of Steve Reich, Terry Riley and Philip Glass on the genre (unconsciously I feel from the youtube clips, very consciously from the wiki page) and I actually know a fair bit about they way those composers wrote music, so this is the direction I was coming from. Without wanting to get too academic (which I think ruins a lot of the fun sometimes) I felt that this was an exercise in Retro-Futurism, which is essentially trying to imagine what art will be like in the future.

Wow man, you live in berlin and never heard minimal techno?
thats like going to carneval and not hearing any samba or shit...
it's pretty easy to make actually, you just need  a subwoofer to give a big "woom" every second and an old mobile phone to make some bleeps.

Haha, like that analogy smile
You're right, minimal techno is the cradle of minimal techno and minimal dub; Hardwax.

"Hey Sweden."
"They're Norwegian Mac."
http://weforfeit.blogspot.com.es/

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well enough of the nonsense, here just a track that I made.
http://student.wdka.nl/~0800685/what%20is%20disco.mp3

no idea how people will percept that, I'm curious!
It's all made with the tr707 and the yamaha cs-5, recorded with a roland vs-880 8-tracker....

I only use those since I have  nothing else, and also hardly use any processing with effects and shit - neither eqing since the roland has that only on a verrry limited scale. smile

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score100 wrote:

well enough of the nonsense, here just a track that I made.
http://student.wdka.nl/~0800685/what%20is%20disco.mp3

no idea how people will percept that, I'm curious!
It's all made with the tr707 and the yamaha cs-5, recorded with a roland vs-880 8-tracker....

I only use those since I have  nothing else, and also hardly use any processing with effects and shit - neither eqing since the roland has that only on a verrry limited scale. smile

This is fucking great!

I was told by the friend I wrote the track with a few posts back that "you do know what it is, it's that horrible music they play at Bar 25, don't be an idiot"

I thought that was house music or something.

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Maiovvi wrote:

Can you name some examples of this?

In truth the only Arthur Russell I know is the solo cello stuff.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeOYmGwhrds[/youtube]

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score100 wrote:

well enough of the nonsense, here just a track that I made.
http://student.wdka.nl/~0800685/what%20is%20disco.mp3

no idea how people will percept that, I'm curious!
It's all made with the tr707 and the yamaha cs-5, recorded with a roland vs-880 8-tracker....

I only use those since I have  nothing else, and also hardly use any processing with effects and shit - neither eqing since the roland has that only on a verrry limited scale. smile

Also, can I put a link to this on the blog? what name should I give it credit to?

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put it there...
"score100 - what is disco?" (ooh catchy track title alarm!)
thanks for feedback. smile

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I think you'd like the Supersoul recordings releases, Maiovvi.